EP. 031

Conditioning and Recovery-Driven Fitness with Joel Jamieson


Joel Jamieson is a conditioning expert and online educator who teaches coaches how to write science-based conditioning programs that deliver real-world results. After working with elite performers and top athletes worldwide, including the Navy SEALS, UFC world champions, and dozens of teams from the NFL, NBA, MLS, NCAA, Joel began sharing his conditioning principles and methods in his first book, Ultimate MMA Conditioning. Since then, he’s leveraged heart rate variability technology in two fitness apps, BioForce HRV and Morpheus, to help people train at their body’s unique ideal intensity every day. When he’s not at the gym, you can spot Joel flying his amphibious plane or helicopter around his hometown of Seattle, WA. If he had a catchphrase, it’d be, “I could land in that.”

Websites and Social Media Links:

Website – 8weeksout.com

Facebook – Joel Jamieson

Twitter – @JoelJamieson

Instagram – coachjoeljamieson


Books mentioned:

Ultimate MMA Conditioning

The Science of Sports Training

The Governing Dynamics of Coaching

Why Zebras Don’t Get Ulcers


Obstacle is the Way

Blue Ocean Strategy 


Podcasts Mentioned

The Doc and Jock Podcast – E238 | Joel Jamieson On Elite Performance & Recovery

Physical Preparation Podcast – Episode 58 – Physical Preparation with Joel Jamieson


Resources and People mentioned:

Certified Conditioning Course


Robert Sapolsky – Human Behavioural Biology Course – YouTube



Postural Restoration Institute

Yuri Verkhoshanky

Viktor Seluyanov

Dr. Michael Kucera

Robert Sapolsky

Joseph Chilton Pearce

Jacque Fresco

Bruce Lipton

Dave Tenney

Eric Cressey

Mike Robertson

Bill Hartman

Bret Contreras

Charlie Weingroff

John Berardi 

Bill Gillespie  

Stu McGill


Movies Mentioned:




0:00 – 7:35 – Robbie Intro’s the show and asks Joel to introduce himself

7:36 – 12:42 – Robbie asks Joel about Morpheus and High-Performance Recovery Training 

12:43 – 15:10 – Robbie asks Joel – how does Morpheus gather and measure all of the data that it records?

15:11 – 19:17 – Robbie asks Joel about functional overreaching vs non-functional overreaching

19:18 – 24:14 – Robbie and Joel speak about the importance of recovery for performance, and under recovery versus over training

24:15 – 28:11 – Robbie asks Joel about the mechanics of Morpheus – i.e. The app and website platform

28:12 – 30:06 – Robbie ask Joel – will he be releasing a certification course for Morpheus for coaches?

30:07 – 32:40 – Robbie and Joel to speak about the importance of the correct dose-response when it comes to exercise prescription 

32:41 – 35:45 – Robbie asks Joel – Can someone train when their HRV is showing up in the Red zone?

35:46 – 37:47 – Robbie asks Joel is Morpheus and other HRV measures only for High-Performance athletes or can the general population also benefit from this technology?

37:48 – 41:52 – Robbie and Joel discuss why excessive parasympathetic dominance is actually a pathological state to be in, especially for the general population

41:53 – 55:26 – Robbie asks Joel about how High-Performance Recovery Training can be integrated into a training system, and what does this look like from a programming standpoint?

55:27 – 56:49 – Robbie ask Joel – why did he call this recovery technology “Morpheus”?

56:50 – 1:00:11 – Robbie ask Joel – would he make any changes to the assessments and methods covered in his book “Ultimate MMA Conditioning”?

1:00:12 – 1:04:24 – Robbie asks Joel to speak about the importance of developing an athlete’s energy systems through proper execution of their sport specific tasks, and why it is crucial to condition an athlete to maintain their technique as they fatigue?

1:04:25 – 1:05:23 – Robbie briefly discusses how biodynamics, bioenergetics, and bio-motors are not separate isolated entities, but are holistically integrated

1:05:24 – 1:10:08 – Robbie asks Joel is the information that his covers in his certified conditioning course applicable to general population clients as well as athletes?

1:10:09 – 1:12:32 – Robbie asks Joel – what are the biggest misinterpretations around HRV that he constantly sees and hears?

1:12:33 – 1:15:08 – Robbie asks Joel who have been his biggest influences on him personally and professionally?

1:15:09 – 1:19:15 – Robbie asks Joel – what have been the biggest lessons he has learned so far in his career and life?

1:19:16 – 1:22:20 – Robbie asks Joel for his top resources

1:22:21 – 1:25:22 – Robbie asks Joel if he only had 1 year left on planet earth – how would he spend that year and why?

1:25:23 – 1:28:40 – Robbie asks Joel – if he could invite 5 people to dinner, dead or alive, who would he invite and why?

1:28:41 – 1:31:22 – Robbie wraps up the show!